The Children of the Underground Watch site is the official location on the Web that monitors the activity of the Children of the Underground Organization. This notorious group or cult who also call themselves protective parents was started in the ’80s by Faye Yager (Faye Yaeger) although there are some who believe it was started in Montpellier, Vermont, in the same city as the law firm of Garnett Harrison and Alan Rosenfeld (Harrison and Rosenfeld). The authors of this site have been researching this group for the past several decades. They are working on a book and other published works that detail the activities of this group.
We feel that the media has really never got this story right. The Children of the Underground Watch site is our honest and sincere attempt to fairly and justly inform the public of this issue.
Many of our subscribers and members of the media have asked us who we are. We do not wish to disclose our true identity to the general public at this time. These Underground Organizations have a well connected group of litigious attorneys, private investigators and individuals that have been known to harass non-supporting individuals and organizations. The authors will disclose that politically they are not affiliated with any specific organization and are supportive of all major missing children’s organizations.
Regards,
The Editor
The Children of the Underground Watch
underwatch@aol.com
Family Abduction Watch 
I HAVE TWO ONE AND TWO YEAR OLD GRANDCHILDREN. I WENT TO DFAC AND THE POLICE LAST YEAR THIS TIME. THEY DID NOT LOCK UP MY DAUGHTERS LIVE IN BOYFRIEND SYLVESTER WALLER. THE CHILD HAD A TERRIBLE RASH AND I SAW HIM KISS MY GRANDSON IN THE MOUTH. I KNOW HE IS A CHILD MOLESTER. SINCE THEN THE CHILDREN CAN TALK. THEY SAY THAT THEIR DADDY IS MOLESTING THEM. I SAY WHO IS PLAYING IN YOUR PANTS. THEY BOTH SAY DADDY. I SAY WHAT IS HIS NAME THEY SAY SYLVESTER WALLER. THEY ARE VERY SMART AND ARE ALWAYS PULLING DOWN THEIR DIAPER AND PLAYING IN THEIR PANTS. MY GRANDSON IS ALSO NOW PLAYING IN HIS RECTUM AND THE LITTLE GIRL IS PLAYING IN HER TOO. I RECENTLY TOOK THEM TO CHURCH AND THE TWO YEAR OLD PUT ON HIS LONG JACKET AND WAS PLAYING IN HIS RECTUM. I CALLED MY DAUGHTER AND TOLD HER ABOUT IT, ABOUT FIVE WEEKS AGO HE CLIMBED IN MY BED AND I ASKED HIM IF HE WANTED TO GO HOME. HE SAID NO BECAUSE MY MOTHER IS A CRACK HEAD. I NEED LEGAL HELP. SHE TOLD ME IF I CALL DFAC AGAIN I WOULD NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN. THAT IS NOT WHY I WANT CALL THEM BUT THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THE CHILDREN TALK VERY WELL. I CAN TELL THAT SOMEONE HAS TOLD HIM TO CHANGE HIS ANSWERS BUT HE ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE TRUTH. I ASKED HIM ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO DID HE KNOW THE TRUTH FROM A LIE. HE SAID YES THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND MY DADDY IS A LIE. I HAVE SOME OF THIS ON VIEDO AND TAPE RECORDER. I LOVE MY GRANDCHILDREN THEY ARE MY INHALE AND EXHALE. I AM A GRADUATE OF BEULAH HEIGHTS BIBLE COLLEGE. I ALSO HAVE A NON PORFIT ORGANIZATION. SHE IS TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT I AM CRAZY. I HAVE THE CHILDREN ON VIDEO AND TAPE. HELP!
ELAINE TAYLORBROWN
770-498-4201
elaineb2008@aol.com
P.S. She leaves him with the children all the time. He is a mister mom. She does not want the responsibility of children and she has turned the responsibilty over to him.
SYLVESTER WALLER IS HIS NAME
I MISTOOK HIM ON THE PEDOPHILE NETWORK FOR ANOTHER SYLVESTER TAYLOR LAST YEAR WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE. IT WAS NOT HIM BUT HE IS A PEDOPHILE. I WANT HIS MOTHER FAITH BROWN TO TAKE A DRUG TEST. SHE MUST BE ON DRUGS TO LET THIS MAN MOLEST HER CHILDREN AND LIE ABOUT IT. HER BABY EVEN SAID SHE IS A CRACK HEAD.
Hi,
My 15 month old son, Thor Danielsson Wang, was abducted on 2/14/2009 by his father, Andrew Yen Chen Wang.
I would like them featured on your website and get help in loacting them. It is likely that they are currently in the Bay Area (San Francisco) or in Oregon, and being helped by an underground organization.
Please help me!
Thor’s mom, Mia
Faye Yager has NOT retired and is now in Brevard, NC helping a non-custodial parent by calling Social Services and having children removed from a loving parent. The non-custodial parent has a 16 year old son that has abused the children here and he will do so again if placed in the mother’s custody. How can the father keep his children with him and fight again Faye Yager at the same time?
MS. E. A. BROWN I BELIEVE U 100% & UR GRANDCHILDREN, I AM A GRANDMOTHER 2 & MY {DAUGHTER} HAD MY 6 YR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER BY A PEDOPHYLE {NIGEL BROWN} OF LOS ANGELES CA & IS DATING ANOTHER ONE WHO IS ALSO A PIMP {JASON LAQUINN MYLES} OF LOS ANGELES CA.& ALL OF THEM HAV BIN RAPIN MY GRANDDAUGHTER WHO SAYS MOMMIE WAS N THE BED N THE FRONT & I WAS BEHIND HIM & HE DID THIS 2 ME ALL THE TIME GRANNIE !!! IT’S BIN SIX YRS {ALL OF MY GRANDDAUGHTER’S LIFE THT I HAV BIN TRYIN 2 GET SUM HELP 4 HER FROM DCFS, LAPD, THE STATE OMBUDSMAN, THE COURT, POLITICIANS, ATTORNEYS, CHILDREN ALLIANCE GROUPS, GRANDPARENTS RIGHTS, CHILDREN’S RIGHTS, COUNSELORS, & MANY MANY MORE BUT NO HELP HAS COME YET !!! ALYSHA IS REPEATEDLY PHYSICALLY TORTURED, STARVED, BEAT, BEAT UP, FACE BASHED WIT BLACK EYE, KICKED, CHOKED, STOMPED INTO THE FLOOR, THROWN, SLUNG AROUND, HARD SLAPPED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE FACE, BEAT N THE TOP OF HER HEAD, KNOCKED DOWN N THE STREETS, SOCKED N THE BACK, PUNCHED, PINCHED, MADE 2 CLIMB N2 HOT WATER N THE TUB, HAIR SNATCHED, SHOOK BY HER PONYTAILS UNTIL HER NECK IS HURT {WHIPLASH}, NAILS DUG N 2 HER ARMS & SHOULDERS, TEETH KNOCKED OUT, THREATENED WIT DEATH & MORE VIOLENT ASSAULTS & MUCH MUCH MORE BUT NO HELP HAS COME !!! I SEEN ALOT OF IT & STEPPED N & MY GRANDDAUGHTER ALYSHA HAS TOLD ME THE REST BUT NOW BEING ALONE WIT MY DAUGHTER & THESE MEN THEY HAV BEAT, TORTURED, TERRORIZED, THREATENED, STARVED, ALYSHA N2 SILENCE !!! MAY GOD HELP HER & ALL OF THE REST !!!
Anne,
Why don’t you contact Child Protective Sevices? If I was in your position, I would take my granddaughter to CPS and not leave their office until they took the appropriate action. This is a site about parental kidnapping and the associated family violence, emotional abuse and trauma that it inflicts on kidnapped children.
The Editor
Dear “Editor” – You apparently didn’t read Anne Gallimore’s complete post – She has already been to all the supposed authorities in her area about the abuse of this child. Your answer is deficient and unproductive.
Correct grammar says, “If I were in your position . . .”
Anne Galimore is a lie her daughter or anyone else never abused Alysha. Her daughter dealt with dcfc on an off for two years they never opened up a case. All of the accusations were unfounded. Anne Galimore lied in court. She says her granddaughters father is a pedophile but she was the one who brought him back into Alysha’ s life. The same day she called dcfs on her daughter she took her granddaughter to she her father.
I am lost and don’t know what to do anymore. my 8 year stepson told the hospital that his grandmother has been touching his private when he goes there for his court order visitations. CPS had gotten involved and had told us not to send him there anymore and there is a crimanl. Investigation going on as well cps has closed the case and has indicated her on inadequate guardianship but the criminal case is still going on she is refusing to talk to the detectives. She has taken us to court for custody of the minor child saying he is being coached and that we are mean ppl and don’t deserve him I’m afraid were going to have to send him back there we are financially broke trying to proved a safe and loving home for are three boys
My email is wrong here its alightaul@yaoo.com
My email is alightaul@yahoo.com
AS AN ABUCTED PERSON BY MY MOTHER YOU ALL ARE SO VERY WRONG.. WHO MADE YOU GOD?
Hi Michelle,
I am sorry that you were kidnapped by your mother.
In a parental kidnapping, one of the parents plays “Judge, Jury and Executioner”. Parental Kidnapping is both a State and Federal Crime. It is also a Federal Crime to acquire a Birth Certificate or United States Passport by committing fraud. In recent years, the Government has enforced cases involving passport fraud for clear reasons.
It is unfortunate after two parents decide to mutually conceive and give birth to a child that they are not always decide on custody of the child. Many years ago, the courts favored “maternal custody” but they now favor “co-parenting” or “joint custody”. In this new era of “equal rights”, it really doesn’t matter the age of the child (“the tender years doctorine no longer applies” when the courts favored custody to the mother).
So Michelle, it sounds like in your situation, you believe your mother had a right to determine your custody. If your biological father and mother could not decide between themselves, then your mother can’t decide on her own. A Family Law Court would have to decide. And if your mother didn’t agree with a Family Law Court Judge’s Court Order, then she too would be a alleged criminal like the other mothers. You may also not consider yourself a victim, but you would be. Most parental kidnappers engage in wrongful “parental alienation” against an innocent child (which would have been you). This is considered a form of emotional abuse or child abuse.
You should google “parental kidnapping” or “family abduction”. Do some independent research of your own. You should also seek the assistance of a good therapist that can help you understand this.
The Editor
I agree with you Michelle. From the little bit I have seen on here, think the courts are not corrupt when in fact they are. Especially in smaller towns. You know your mother through the years and it seems she was fit to have you. I don’t know your situation, but I have seen the courts give back children to the abuser only to have them wound up dead. It is very tragic. A mother knows best! Not some corrupt system.
Hi Truth,
The Domestic Violence Community has for years labeled men as “abusers” to get the upper hand in divorce cases. So if a woman or mother were arrested for Domestic Violence, does that mean that you would label her as an abuser and she automatically should lose custody of her children? The courts have a difficult time in high-conflict custody cases and when you label your former spouse as an abuser, it really works against coparenting and the best interests of your children. On the other hand if your goals is to write your former spouse out of your children’s lives like many abusive moms, then that’s your choice. Unfortunately, that sometimes leads to a mother losing joint custody of her children.
I think that’s the real truth that is that is here today.
Martin
Truth is Coming…..you are damn right the family law courts are corrupt, they are beyond corrupt, they are leaving victims of abuse to fend for themselves while they are torn to shreds in declarations full of false information and bs lies used to destroy the former spouse and make good on their threat to leave them with nothing. I don’t know what the hell kind of site this is but I do not agree at all with their opinions or beliefs, they still have faith in the failing corrupt legal system that has parents and children committing suicide in record numbers and its not because “the parent simply can’t accept the decision on custody made by the court” that is the biggest piece of bullshit I read on this site. I am a Protective Mother, I was falsely accused of dv to get a restraining order which was actually misused to get what was inside the order if granted. The California state Bar strongly suggest that I file a law suit against my ex’s lawyer for the countless ethics violations as well as her inappropriate conduct in the handling of the divorce case. They couldn’t refer me to a lawyer instead told me to google civil and legal ethics attorneys which I did and must of talked to 50+ and even went to surrounding counties and nobody would take the case against this lawyer, she’s know to be trouble and nobody wants to go up against her, she has power and connections to make anyone’s life hell. They made it impossible for me to protect my children from our abuser and now instead of just my ex husband the abuser, I now have 3 more just like him. But to mislabel Protective Parents/Protective Mothers as kidnappers, abductors, you take away a Protective Mothers ability to protect her children you end up in my situation.
I DON’T AGREE WITH THE BELIEF SYSTEM OF THE FOLKS RUNNING THIS PAGE AND I WANT TO COMPLETELY REMOVE ALL COMMETNS POSTED TO THIS SITE, I CANNOT REMOVE OR DELETE THEM THEREFORE I ASK THE PERSON RUNNING THIS PAGE THAT I DO NOT WANT ANY ASSOCIATION TO THIS PAGE AND I REQUEST THAT YOU REMOVE ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND/OR INFORMATION I HAVE POSTED DELETED IMMEDIATELY UPON SENDING OF THIS COMMENT AND THIS COMMENT IS INCLUSIVE IN REQUEST FOR DELETION.
THERE IS NOT OPTION TO EMAIL OR CONTACT US TO MAKE MY REQUEST DIRECTLY TO THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS PAGE THEREFORE I AM STATING MY REQUEST IN OPEN COMMENT FOR ALL COMMENTS MADE BY MYSELF BE DELETED IMMEDIATELY!!
It sounds like you filed a bar complaint against the attorney and the California State Bar Association did not believe there was an ethics violation.
You visit our website, post your full name, email address and phone number on the site. You ask some of our website visitors to contact you. And then you ask to have your comments removed. At your age, you should know by now that once you post information on the Internet, you can’t always get it removed. It sounds like you want to make up your own rules rather than adhering to those rules that apply to the rest of the members of society. I think with a mindset like that, you might have had a difficult time with a custody evaluation. I don’t think anyone who has gone through a custody evaluation liked that process. But for the best interests of our children, we were cooperative in participating in the evaluation as ordered by the court. We did our best to abide by and follow the court orders. We took responsibility and ownership of not being able to coparent with our former spouse. Of course it’s never easy since there are always unresolved issues between former spouses.
Julie, I realize with the information you have posted about your case that you consider yourself a victim. I acknowledge that. I am not a fan of the protective parent movement because it is my experience they believe in escalation of the case in the media and on the Internet and possible civil disobedience rather than de-escalation and compromise. Of course your spouse wasn’t the man you married, but at some point all of us need to move forward with our lives. I never once heard actress Kelly Rutherford apologize for her actions, but she appears to be making the most of her parenting time and moving along for the best interests of her children. Maybe Kelly may be setting the example for protective moms.
So before we consider your request, I would like you to take some ownership and apologize for posting information on our website that you did not intend to be public. And I would like to request that you ask nicely. You can send this request to underwatch@aol.com or post it here.
The Editor
You the “Editor” need help! You just say the same thing over and over. The system is corrupt, So when abuse is reported to the Departments that claim they can help, do they actually help. The system is about money hungry people!!! Not often is it treated as abuse and not often are the children truly protected!!! So do some real research On the corruption of the system that pushes the mother to go into hiding… Think about the “Abused Children”!!! think you should GOOGLE Corrupt court and DCF system.. you obviously are part of the problem.
CPS or DCF was started in the USA in 1974. That’s over 40 years ago. Our Family Court System as part of the legal system is also one of the best in the World. There are millions of dollars in Federal Funding given to non-profit organization and groups for the protection of children.
Any parent always has the legal option if of going to Family Court and getting the court to order an evaluation. The parent can also file a CPS report or a physician or child protection worker will file one under the mandatory reporting laws.
The same thing over and over in these underground cases is that these moms never wait for the results or go through an evaluation ordered by the courts. They simply commit this very serious criminal act of kidnapping a young child. That doesn’t even include the emotional abuse and alienation that is rarely prosecuted.
When these moms go into hiding, they are promised media coverage and free legal lifetime legal representation. The issue I see is why can’t these so called “protective parent” groups get involved before a mother goes into hiding? Why can’t they get their cases into the media and the new social media?
The underground moms also come from a higher socio-economic class and have access to funds from family and friends. They could have used some of their legal options.
With your myopic or shortsighted thinking, you are the one that needs the help. I challenge you to take what posted and share it with your therapist. And then re-think your parenting skills and the anger you have against your former spouse. You should also remember that you once loved your ex, married your ex, had a child with him, then hated him. Yeah, he was not the person you married – but either were you. Perhaps your children would have a better life if you truly committed to today’s co-parenting!
AMEN!! Crazy is as crazy does! The courts are corrupt, you cannot trust anyone to uphold their judicial duty to protect the abused and the fact that there is such corruption in the courts is the only reason Protective Mothers have to flee with their children in order to maintain the ability to protect them, this page only exists because it points out and critiques those who are forced to flee and gives them something to preach about. This page needs to be reported and flagged for deletion. The law would be a great thing if the folks that are supposed to uphold the laws and let laws determine the outcome not who has the money to pay for and by the outcome.
THE UNFAMILY LAW COURTS IS THERE TO DESTROY THE LIVES OF PERFECTLY LOVING AND CAPABLY FIT PARENTS WHO ARE LOOSING CUSTODY TO ABUSERS IN RECORD NUMBERS AND THOSE FOLKS WHO PULL FAVORS AND USE THEIR RELATIONSHIPS AND MONEY TO WIN THEIR CASES WITH NO REGARD FOR THE LIVES THEY DESTROY, THE CHILDREN WHO ARE TORN FROM ONE PARENT AND FORCED TO LIVE WITH AN ABUSER AND/OR A PARENT WHO’S INTENT IS TO SEVER THE BOND THE CHILD HAS WITH THEIR OTHER PARENT TO SERVE THEMSELVES THEY WILL HURT THEIR OWN CHILDREN, DEPRIVE THEM OF A LOVING RELATIONSHIP AND THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE BOTH PARENTS IN THEIR LIVES BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE ALL THE CHILD NEEDS. THEY ARE ENTITLED AND SUPERIOR AND THIS PAGE AND LEGAL SYSTEM ONLY PUPORTS TO CONTINUE DV AND ABUSE TO CONTINUE.
Julie,
1) It is said that our judicial system in America is the best in the World. But it is an evolving and self correcting system.
2) As a divorcing spouse, you ask the Family Law Court System to decide custody of your children because you couldn’t civilly coparent with your former spouse. As you know the courts want parents to coparent and do not like parents violating court orders, withholding custody and not acting in the best interests of their children.
3) It sounds like you decided not to go underground with your children. That might have resulted in being sent to prison and a felony conviction. With today’s Internet and Social Media, it is not likely you would not have been found. There’s also the emotional impact on your children.
4) In Family Law, there is no such thing as permanent custody orders. You can always go back to court to change the custody and parenting time.
5) As parents we must take ownership of our decision to marry our former spouses, have children with them and every positive and not so positive action we took during the custody dispute. Most parents including actress Kelly Rutherford have done things that they now regret.
6) It sounds like you need to find a support system. As a protective mom, you have access to a number of protective parent attorneys as well as pro bono resources in that community. There are more resources available to those divorcing moms then the searching and recovering parents of Family Abduction Cases.
Again, I am one that believes no parent should ever kidnap their children. I will always believe you did the right thing by not committing that crime.
The Editor
#stopfamilyabduction
I consider myself to be a “Protective Parent” NOT because I am violating a court order or a kidnapper but because family court has truly failed to protect my children from abuse – and my children have been physically and emotionally abused now in the care of their unfit parent. I have met other parents with similar experiences — men and women both.
There are REAL systemic failures in family court, and corruption as well. Courts routinely give sole custody or primary custody to abusive, unfit parents. The children are further victimized, abused and often suffer lifelong damage.
That being said, most “protective parents” stay and fight their battles legally, and do what they can to be involved in their children’s lives without resorting to any of this headline making behavior. It is the most painful experience to once had a healthy, loving relationship with your child to now have that child hate you for no reason, or have a 6 year old cuss you out..but you stay for the screaming and being spit on to try to save what you can of your relationship. That is a protective parent. Or maybe CPS has totally failed to protect your child from abuse, and now family court is involved. You are told don’t talk about abuse. Co-parent with an abuser. Look the other way at the bruises or PTSD..what normal child has PTSD anyways? And you raise concerns then are put into supervised visitation or lose custody or the abuser gets sole custody. Still you fight to keep your child safe, even though the legal system fails you. You spend all your savings, give up your house, your whole life is this never ending legal battle and all you get is a 2 hr a week visit with your child. But it’s worth it just to be able to have your child in your life, even for that. That is a protective parent. Both true stories.
I know you expose and report on the parents who are kidnapping children. But I want to correct you on one thing – an abuser is NOT a protective parent. It’s not fair that you label a whole group of people on the actions of a few.
To be honest, alot of times I do not even feel like a “protective parent” because following this unjust court order means that I am returning my child to an abusive and unhealthy environment. I just pray that my love will be enough, and one day my child can come home.
I urge you to take a 2nd look at what is really happening and why. Because those people who have cause your anger towards “protective parents” are also hurting the real protective parents, who have done no wrong, and abide by the law even after justice has failed. These are abusers – not protectors.
The issue that I have seen with “protective parents” is that they are the only ones calling their former spouse an abuser. If their child’s therapist told them, “If I told you your child was not abused by your former spouse, would that be a good or bad thing?” – they have the inability to correctly respond to that question. I also have to ask you why it would have been impossible to co-parent your child with your former spouse? I don’t think labeling yourself as a protective parent is helping your situation. It sounds like you need to prove to the court you can be a good co-parent. It doesn’t matter how controlling of different your parenting skills are from your former spouse.
E….Sounds like you have been dealt the similar hand as myself. I’m not to sure about this page at this point but please feel free to friend me on facebook or email me, Julie Halliburton julie151310@aol.com. I have asked for my posts to be deleted as I choose not to debate the legalities or the wrongs and rights of things I have already been forced to endure and live through as a result of this court corruption, I don’t need someone who doesn’t have a flippin clue what I have been through to stand and just me or have the audacity to call me ignorant. I hope to hear from you since I cant see your name just mention E. 🙂
Who ever you are I truly believe you are an uneducated Person who has no clue of what is truly happening in family court where children are automatically to their abusers and used for kids for cash over and over. Please educated yourself and shut down this stupid website as this is embarrassing! WAKE UP AND GO TO SAFE KIDS INTERNATIONAL AND SEE WHAT IS TRULY HAPPENING AROUND THE FAMILY IN THE U.S. And worldwide!
Laura,
Thanks for leaving comments on our site. Our website was published over 16 years ago. We have had many “protective parents” like you that have visited the site.
As the Editor of this site and in the spirit of free speech, I am more than happy to have an open discussion with you.
So “whoever” (it’s whoever not who ever”) I am, I want to warn you that this website is visited by many journalists. I want for you to describe for me how the “kids are used for cash over and over”.
Are you thinking if we rolled the clock back to “maternal custody” than mothers wouldn’t have to work. The mothers could collect child support and the fathers could see the children maybe one weekend per month or not at all. Is that how the kids are being used for cash? (joint custody/coparenting)
In high-conflict divorce cases, especially those where “protective moms” inject abuse allegations, a neutral guardian ad-litem attorney is appointed. That attorney usually has a track record of representing minors in the court and is respected by the Family Court Judges. When child custody recommendations are made, that attorney’s feedback is collected by the professional preparing the Custody Evaluation.
I really hope you do not believe that the fathers in these cases take huge envelopes of cash and surreptitiously hand it to the judge, guardian ad-litem attorney and the professional preparing the Custody Evaluation. Laura, do you really think that?
Well, I don’t think I will “educated” myself. It sounds like you are a “protective parent” that is angry and hostile toward the Family Law Court System. You have to remember that our nation’s Child Protection Services “CPS” was created by the Mondale Act in 1974. Since that time, CPS and our Family Court System have evolved. I believe in California, most courts want parents to have joint custody regardless of the children’s ages (the tender years doctrine no longer applies).
I really don’t think it’s a good idea to put up inflammatory statements of Family Court Judges on a public website.
As we learned in the Kelly Rutherford case, there are some individuals like you that can read a well-written custody order and be incapable of understanding how the mother was engaging in parental alienation (maternal gatekeeping, over parenting) and not coparenting (acting in the best interests of the child). You want a individual like Ms. Rutherford to have custody of her children only because she is a woman or the mother. I doubt you personally believe that a male is capable of raising a child by himself and most importantly not with his new younger or older wife. After a divorce, you believe your former spouse is good for alimony and child support only.
I am not a child psychologist or child psychiatrist. I would like to see more “protective mothers” go back to school and try and become license psychologists and psychiatrists. Before criticizing the efforts of others, it’s time to get “educated”.
Laura, I would hope that you have the courage to respond. I promise to not criticize our grammar or spelling since that would be hypocritical on my part.
Looking forward to this discussion.
This person is extremely uncouth, apparently suffers from some compulsive need to fight to be right and the fact that this person likes to point out and correct other’s grammar just makes me SMDH! This site serves no real purpose, the “editor” just likes to belittle other’s beliefs, stand in judgment, preach and tell everyone the right way to do things and point out where they think everyone is wrong or has done wrong that I can say with absolute certainty there’s no way in hell this person not only doesn’t have a clue as to how corrupt the courts truly are but I’d bet they’ve not experienced the corruption nor has it affected their life. Therefore, that makes this site and their uneducated and inexperienced banter useless. Walk a day in my shoes or any one of the other Mother’s who’s been a victimized by the family court and our lives and our children’s lives are destroyed forever. Then you will have the right to speak on the subject of corruption and all the multi facets that destroy families and the lives of parents and children every single day around the globe, it’s a global epidemic. The family courts are no longer a safe place for families, it’s the unfamily where children are pawns, placed in the hands of abusers and cut off from all contact with their Protective Mother who’s rendered helpless to protect her children. PEOPLE ARE DYING EVERY SINGLE DAY, PARENTS AND CHILDREN ARE BEING DRIVEN TO THE POINT OF SUICIDE, THE CORRUPTION IN THE FAMILY COURTS IS KILLING PEOPLE AND CLAIMING LIVES OF GOOD PARENTS.
Julie,
You should have your therapist and or best friend read what you have posted here.
I am still glad that we didn’t have to post photos of your children on this site. And that you didn’t spend a single night in prison for kidnapping an innocent child.
It does sound like with the education you have obtained, you are moving forward with your life.
The Editor
I just want to be clear that there have been occasional cases of judicial corruption, involving cash. Some may be familiar with the Pennsylvania judge who was inappropriately sentencing juveniles to out of state residential treatment and receiving kickbacks. This kind of behavior is egregious and rightly condemned.
However, it is very different to hear blanket statements of widespread corruption in family courts and “kids for cash.” Even more so to throw around accusations that children are “routinely” placed with abusers–for what reason I cannot see. It is my understanding that high-conflict cases are far from cash cows for court systems. In fact they are a tremendous drain on energy and distract from the business of dealing with children who are truly neglected and abused, or those who are skirting trouble with the law. Making good faith efforts (as I believe that most judges, GALs, FOCs, etc do) to repair rifts that are repeatedly torn asunder–and watching children suffer as a result can be incredibly demoralizing. Yes–sometimes courts, and social workers get it wrong. If it were possible to fix the world’s troubles simply by taking kids away from bad parents and putting them with good ones, I am, certain that all authorities would fall in line. But loss of a parent, or a family, is a primal wound–not one to be lightly inflicted, just in case.
Thank you, Editor, for your patience in confronting some who post here. I frankly get overtired sometimes of seeing the same points reiterated here and across the web–with absolutely no valid data behind them. Yes–one can send out a call for folks who claim that Family Court did them (and their kids) wrong. But time and time again, on scratching the surface, claims of abuse were never made, or if made were investigated. Or the parent who lost custody really was found to be harming or neglecting the children. I cannot say that the courts, or CPS are perfect–but the implication of some vast conspiracy is simply unsubstantiated.
These judges don’t deserve to be blamed for the rulings in these cases. Only because the two parents that mutually decided to have the child and then couldn’t agree on custody did the courts have to get involved. When a judge decided custody, they rely on evidence provided by custody evaluators. This may also include clinical observations of both parents and the child. If you lost custody of your children, it’s probably not the judge. You have ti accept responsibility for that.
I have 2 daughters 11and 14 year old living with their abusive father after the court released his restraining order. At what age can we let children decide where they want to live?
I found this story in Mexico and I’m devastated by it.
But even more sickening are the comments I’ve found in Mexican forums (it’s a big story there right now).
How can people be willing to justify the crime of crimes, the worst crime of all, that is first degree murder?
As a mother, I can’t for the life of me understand what drives these women so insane.
Cant even out your name to it but happy to have your own PERSONAL opinion. YOUR opinion. Cassie doubleday is not ill. People ignoring her children are.
Kristie, so are you a licensed professional with some upper level education that allows you to arrive at this conclusion based on factual evidence. The issue with protective moms like Cassie Doubleday is that they don’t have evidence. Most of then leave before an investigation is completed. Does your conclusion meet the “beyond a reasonable doubt” or even a “more than likely” legal test? Some protective parent extremists would like the courts to give maternal custody at any allegation or belief. In America the standard is usually a reasonable belief and the protective mom must exhaust her legal remedies. Did Cassie Doubleday exhaust her legal remedies before she kidnapped her children? The Courts in Australia will decide the punishment for Cassie Doubleday. The father and children and extended family members are the victims here. In this era of coparenting, why couldn’t Cassie Doubleday share custody?
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